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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 17, 2006 4:03:02 GMT
I have unsubscribed from the yahoo UK boerboel board because the moderator put me in a position where anyone could say anything about me, in any way they wanted, but if I answered in the same way I would be banned.
The topic of my complaint to SABT seems to be about whether I complained about Garry Lilburn hitting the dog on the nose or I complained about something else.
I have only mentioned that I was informed of Mr. Lilburn hitting the Bulie dog on the nose, and as I was not at the appraisal myself, and did not see it happen, I can of course only say what I have been told. I have been told that he hit the dog on the nose.
My complaint to SABT was not about this incident, it was about Mr. Lilburn contacting owners of other breeder´s dogs and telling them things that are not true. In my opinion this is disgusting behaviour from a breeder. The contact information came from SABT and was used for a purpose that it was not meant to be used for.
Mr. Lilburn has admitted contacting owners and the information he has been giving them about the relevant breeders and their dogs is incorrect.
SABT have not answered my complaint as yet.
The way I see it, is that information provided to the registration organisations by the breeders is priviledged information, the purpose of providing this information is so that the owner details are properly filled out.
I will now actively be encouraging breeders to register their puppies with EBBASA, an organisation that will not tolerate misuse of information. This way the members of the board of the UKBC will not get the neccesary information to contact the owners.
Shaun
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Post by sandaharr on Aug 17, 2006 10:28:54 GMT
Shaun,I too fully support Ebbasa and will be doing what I can to improve their standing within the UK.I have just heard that sadly Yvonne Lessing has been sacked by the SABT.Such a helpful person.
The SABT has never yet issued an apology to ourselves with regards to the shambles that was the appraisal for us at Sandaharr in Britain.I doubt if you will receive an apology about this unfortunately.Owners info is surely priveleged information...? Sandra.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 17, 2006 11:43:16 GMT
Personally Sandra, it would surprise me immensly that SABT would apologise for sending an appraisor that was unsure of the SABT standard in relation to the allowed colouration of the dogs. I am sorry to hear about Yvonne being sacked. The administration has been so much easier and quicker since Yvonne started working at the office. Do you know why she was sacked?
It would be good if EBBASA had an anchor person in UK who was willing to do a bit of work for the cause. EBBASA is not as big as SABT and specialises in breeders that breed for healthy dogs. There are not many breeders that live up to the health and kennel standards required by EBBASA.
We are happy that at least one of the registries has such high standards. This can only reflect on the quality of dogs being bred.
Anne and Shaun
Feel free to send the link for this board to those you feel might be interested.
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Post by sandaharr on Aug 17, 2006 15:59:00 GMT
Shaun,I met with Rudolf,Piet and his wife,who does all the paerwork.She gave me all the necessary forms for joining Ebbasa,I have it home with me for anybody that is interested.
I also met Johan and Linda Swart and Johan their son,also Anne from Induna,I know these people are all very involved with Ebbasa. Sandra.
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Post by mayahund on Aug 18, 2006 19:16:14 GMT
Hi Guys! I do think it's BAD news to hear that Sabt is giving out what should be priviliged information to anybody. They just seem to go from bad to worse don't they? Hearing about Yvonne and Naomi didn't make me a lot more sympathetic towards the organisation either! Sorry to hear about your troubles too Sandra - what a bummer to drive alll that way in such heat and then - New rules!!! Who wouldn't have blown a fuse or six - regardless of haircolour  Regards Ewa |
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Post by sandaharr on Aug 20, 2006 9:26:42 GMT
Hi Ewa,what is really annoying is that I was correct all along!!GRRRR!
I have to say though that they did offer to come up to scotland but it was such short notice with work committments that we couldn't take them up on it. Sandra.
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Post by bulieboerboels on Aug 20, 2006 14:59:02 GMT
Hi Sandra what I find interesting is that you were told in no uncertain terms that if you wanted your dogs appraised you had to come to England as SABT are very busy and these appraisals take time to organise yet suddenly after admitting their mistake you can have an appraisal.Last year they had an appraisal in Ireland the day after the UK one and there was a grand total of 6 dogs appraised?I suppose it depends if you are the chairman of UKBC at the time.Regards Paul.
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Post by bulieboerboels on Aug 20, 2006 15:13:13 GMT
Hi Sandra I forgot to mention that I will be looking to register our future puppies with EBBASA and encouraging all our puppy owners from previous litters to come to an EBBASA appraisal next year if we can get one organised.It would seem our Mr. Lillburn has been using private information to contact our customers and telling them lies about our dogs and inviting them to go and see his dogs to show them what he considers to be the desired temperament of the Boerboel.What he does not realise is that most of our puppy buyers are people that have seen him and his dogs which is why they have come to us.He is also trying to say that we offer no advice or follow up to our puppies.Regards Paul.
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Post by mayahund on Aug 20, 2006 19:32:33 GMT
Hi Guy's
I understand you're pissed off at Gary and with his actions and you have all rights to be so but please, since I am always interested in learning more about everything concerning the bb and NOT to listen to people talking BS about others - Can't we please, please try to keep it out of this forum? I am thouroughly fed up with reading the BS and I know others feel the same way. I am positive this forum will gain readers if we try to keep to bb related talk.
If the people at UK bb-board wants to BS - Let them! - They will be the ones loosing listeners/readers. Ordinary people (that does not belong to the "clique in UK" will not be interested. Let them ruin their own board and make it into a forum for their belivers! They've lost credability with this whole story too.
As always - Just my humble opinion!
Ewa
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 21, 2006 6:14:08 GMT
You are right of course.
Shaun
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Post by Bulie Buse on Aug 23, 2006 9:16:01 GMT
???Hi Guys
Please can you explain in simple terms for me the difference between SABT & EBBASA etc & what the pros & cons are of both groups.
Thanks
Ju
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Post by James Brennan on Aug 31, 2006 21:58:25 GMT
Paul, While the tone of this Board seems very positive, I would like to draw attention to one of your posts. In case any of you have forgotten, Ireland is a seperate, independant, sovereign country and is quite entitled to have its own national appraisal. The appraisal had nothing to do with the Chairmanship of the UKBC. It seems many in the UK do not know or choose to forget that Ireland is not part of the UK and has not been for some time. Many of my countrymen died achieving that independance from the UK, which allows us amongst other things to hold Boerboel Appraisals without sufferring snide remarks. I would like to add that I am part of no clique and very much my own man and have always avoided Boerboel politics, rarely posting on any Board. I call things as I see them.Regards, James Brennan Hi Sandra what I find interesting is that you were told in no uncertain terms that if you wanted your dogs appraised you had to come to England as SABT are very busy and these appraisals take time to organise yet suddenly after admitting their mistake you can have an appraisal.Last year they had an appraisal in Ireland the day after the UK one and there was a grand total of 6 dogs appraised?I suppose it depends if you are the chairman of UKBC at the time.Regards Paul. |
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Post by jannikbb on Aug 31, 2006 23:27:09 GMT
Paul, While the tone of this Board seems very positive, I would like to draw attention to one of your posts. In case any of you have forgotten, Ireland is a seperate, independant, sovereign country and is quite entitled to have its own national appraisal. The appraisal had nothing to do with the Chairmanship of the UKBC. It seems many in the UK do not know or choose to forget that Ireland is not part of the UK and has not been for some time. Many of my countrymen died achieving that independance from the UK, which allows us amongst other things to hold Boerboel Appraisals without sufferring snide remarks. I would like to add that I am part of no clique and very much my own man and have always avoided Boerboel politics, rarely posting on any Board. I call things as I see them.Regards, James Brennan hi james, nice to see you here, hope all is well with you and yours  love you loads jan Hi Sandra what I find interesting is that you were told in no uncertain terms that if you wanted your dogs appraised you had to come to England as SABT are very busy and these appraisals take time to organise yet suddenly after admitting their mistake you can have an appraisal.Last year they had an appraisal in Ireland the day after the UK one and there was a grand total of 6 dogs appraised?I suppose it depends if you are the chairman of UKBC at the time.Regards Paul. |
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Sept 1, 2006 4:52:26 GMT
Hi James, I can only apolizise if you feel offended. I do not think Paul meant it as an attack on you as a person.
We decided on the 9th of August that there will be no mud slinging on this board and we are going to stick to that decision.
We would like to welcome you as a member if you should wish to join the forum.
Regards
Anne
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Post by buliebuse on Sept 1, 2006 8:13:06 GMT
Hi James
Being an ignoramous - what part of Ireland are you from as I very often fly over to Belfast to see my best friend.
Ju
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Post by bulieboerboels on Sept 4, 2006 12:05:35 GMT
Hi James please accept my apology if I caused you offence.It was not my intention.I do realise that the part of Ireland you live in is not part of the UK but is part of Graeat Britain.I was only pointing out that I found it difficult to understand how SABT could hold another appraisal so close to the UK but not one in Scotland for all the Boerboels there.Not until the cock up regarding piebalds at this years appraisal.This board seems to have the welfare and furtherment of the Boerboel as its driving force and I for one would like to keep it this way.Regards Paul.
PS welcome to the board James and I look foward to any contribution you may make as I am sure you have valuable experience to share with us all.
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Post by coomore on Sept 4, 2006 16:40:11 GMT
Paul, I am accepting that you meant no offence and while I do not wish to belabour the point, Ireland is not part of the UK nor is it part of Great Britain in the same way as France or China are not part of the UK or Great Britain. It is an entirely seperate and sovereign country.It appears to be SABT policy to hold one appraisal in each country therefore it would not hold a second one in Scotland as Scotland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Ireland is not and therefore they did hold one in Ireland and there will probably be one held in Ireland again next year. Hi James please accept my apology if I caused you offence.It was not my intention.I do realise that the part of Ireland you live in is not part of the UK but is part of Graeat Britain.I was only pointing out that I found it difficult to understand how SABT could hold another appraisal so close to the UK but not one in Scotland for all the Boerboels there.Not until the thingy up regarding piebalds at this years appraisal.This board seems to have the welfare and furtherment of the Boerboel as its driving force and I for one would like to keep it this way.Regards Paul. PS welcome to the board James and I look foward to any contribution you may make as I am sure you have valuable experience to share with us all. |
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Post by coomore on Sept 4, 2006 16:43:09 GMT
Hello Ju, I live in a small town called Portarlington in the Republic of Ireland. It is more or less right in the centre of Ireland. Regards, James Hi James Being an ignoramous - what part of Ireland are you from as I very often fly over to Belfast to see my best friend. Ju |
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Post by temwani on Sept 5, 2006 19:01:01 GMT
Hi James,
There are many of us in England who would wish to point out that England is a country in it's own right and with the Scottish and Welsh assemblies running Scotland and Wales respectively, quite separate countries with their own identities. Surely the appraisal should be based upon how many dogs there are to appraise rather than the location.
Cheers Geri
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Post by jblaze35 on Aug 11, 2019 17:02:38 GMT
He beats dogs like he beats people. Avoid him like the plague.
Dirty ex copper, bad human, terrible dog breeder.
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love you loads 
