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Post by coomore on Oct 21, 2006 10:42:07 GMT
Shaun, I do not understand your need to constantly post misinformation about EBBASA affairs on the message boards. There is no appraisal arranged for next year in the UK. There is of course likely to be an appraisal but there is none actually arranged as yet. Any appraisal will be arranged by me as EBBASA representative in the UK in consultation with the EBBASA council and in accordance with the requirements of the Boerboel community in Britain. It will be located as conveniently as possible for all attendees. For the avoidance of doubt, I have confirmed in a telephone call with Piet Sprinkhuizen that he has not authorised or agreed an appraisal next year in either Scotland or Northampton and has further confirmed that he both expects and has authorised me to organise and stage appraisals on EBBASA'S behalf in the UK and Ireland.
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Post by temwani on Oct 21, 2006 11:34:19 GMT
I am very confused. Is UKBC promoting EBBASA or SABT as a registry or do they think we should split our allegiences between them?
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Post by coomore on Oct 21, 2006 11:59:29 GMT
I am not part of the UKBC. I am the UK EBBASA Representative.
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Post by temwani on Oct 21, 2006 12:35:02 GMT
Yes - but you have asked the UKBC to organise an appraisal for EBBASA - is this an indication that they have dropped their affiliation to SABT? Otherwise it seems like asking the Local Labour Party to organise a conservative function?
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Oct 21, 2006 12:57:34 GMT
First of all James, The post was not from Shaun. It was from me, Anne.
Second, you were the chairman for UKBC last year and I beleive you were the board member for Ireland until recently.
Third, what you say is not the same as what Piet say.
If you are the new representative for UK there will off course never be any appraisals near Sandaharr Boerboels or near Bulie Boerboels. It will be just like it has always been and that is sadly not in the best interest of the Boerboel but all about having power and control.
Posted by Anne Ewing without Shaun's knowledge, just to avoid any misunderstandings
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Post by coomore on Oct 21, 2006 13:22:50 GMT
What do I need power and control for? I am not a big breeder. I have only sold 20 puppies since I got involved in the Boerboel six years ago, despite having twelve bitches. I breed only for my own requirements in trying to establish a Coomore line. I sell and give the surplus puppies to good homes as I cannot keep them all. Breeding puppies is not my primary focus. To the extent that I need or want control, as you put it, it is only to ensure that the development of the Borboel in Britain and Ireland is focused positively. How many puppies do you and Shaun breed annually? 50? 60? 80? 90? It seems to me that you need and desire power and control far more than I do. Indeed the tantrum thrown by you and Shaun since my appointment was announced is surely good evidence of just how much you need it.
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Post by temwani on Oct 21, 2006 13:40:51 GMT
If you are only interested in the development of the breed - you would be committed to meeting the requests for appraisals that had been made to EBBASA previously - where as you have gone on this board - saying you will decide where the appraisals will be - ignoring the obvious need from a range of BOerboel owners near to Northampton and in Scotland. Why do you want to represent a country other than your own?
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Post by mayahund on Oct 21, 2006 13:58:03 GMT
Sadly enough, as I see it, NOT being a breeder, just an owner, It's ALL about power and control.
I've followed the discussions on the UKboard and the S.A BB-board for some years now and on this board since it started. And when I have a look at what is being said on theese boards it all comes down to the same banter and slanter by the EXACT same people on all 3 boards.
I do not know what on earth you guys have against Anasha BB's but I sure would like to know how on earth you managed to get a grudge that size on your shoulder!
What I do know and can tell you is HOW Anasha bb have improved the breed in Scandinavia. When I got into the scen some 6 years ago we had one breeder that didn't do ANY health checks whatsoever, and still doesn't. We now have 3 breeders (to my knowledge) NONE of them do any healthchecks - So were do we have to go to get a good bb? Or should we just accept the situation? NO we turned to Denmark and we got/get healthchecked dogs that fits into our community. More and more people are finding this route to good dogs. I am personally intouch with the people in Sweden who bought puppies from Anasha and I know that people are content and when there has been any problems Anasha has stood up to their contracts!
So what is this deal in the UK if not about power and controll? You guys just can't stand that somebody accualy dares to question your bb-knowledge the way Shaun does. OK I'll give you that - NOBODY loves a verbal discussion as much as Shaun does and if you want to go into a verbal combat with him you better come prepared - That can be a nuicanse! But to go out and try your darndest in stopping him, I personally find a bit hard to swallow. Especially when the ones being the fastest to jump on the slanthering train not always has all their facts correct, as in the case of VIcki and her husband (- I'm sure she's still waiting for an offical appology by the way).
It's also the same group of people who do their best to controll all BB related activity in the UK. Why is that if not for power and controll? How will that give an objective look on the bb and how will that improve the breed? And maybe the trick question; why don't we see any newcomers on the scene?
How many Anasha pups have you seen in the UK? How many Anansha puppies are nuts? Why are they bad? Please give me an explanaition to WHY you guys are so intensive in your pursuit of Anaasha/Bulie/ Sandaharr??? There has to be a better reason than the fact that you guys just can't stand that they know more than most of you guys do that owns/ed 1 or two bb's for a couple of years!!
I don't know about the rest of the people on this board but I am getting awfully tired of this bs hitting the boards. We started this board TO GET AWAY from it on the UK board, so please, don't take it in here - keep it in your own backyard!
As always - MY opinion
Ewa
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Post by temwani on Oct 21, 2006 14:06:19 GMT
Ewa,
I apologise you are quite right as you know I post on this board because it was supposed to be friendly. Moreover my questions won't be answered. I just look forward to somehow holding an appraisal in Scotland and in Northampton next year so that all of the Boerboel owners in those localities whether via SABT or EBBASA can get their dogs appraised. All I really care about is making sure that our puppies are healthy and get to live the full length of their lives with good owners.
Geri
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Post by mayahund on Oct 21, 2006 14:25:12 GMT
Hi Geri!
I didn't mean you! And I totaly understand you wanting answers - so do I! That's why I've put them in my post and maybe, just maybe we can all behave as adults and anser questions instead of making new bs-statements about who started what!
Ewa
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Post by temwani on Oct 21, 2006 16:42:38 GMT
Hi Ewa,
It seems so simple to me.
A group of BB owners who live close to each other and who between them have 10 or more dogs ought to be able to have an appraisal near by and you would expect the relevant representative to be keen to arrange it for them. After all that is what is best for the dogs since travelling with dogs long distances should be avoided unless the dogs are used to it. Some of these dogs have been bought by people to guard property and therefore they may not be used to travelling. The people may also not want to have the dog away from home more than is necessary.
Sandra has I believe 13 dogs already, ready to be appraised in Scotland. It is also a sparsely populated area, which is ideal for BBs - so to hold an appraisal there seems really sensible to promote the breed.
I just hope that things can be resolved for the good of all Boerboel owners and breeders in the UK.
Geri
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Oct 22, 2006 9:24:50 GMT
What do I need power and control for? How many puppies do you and Shaun breed annually? 50? 60? 80? 90? It seems to me that you need and desire power and control far more than I do. Indeed the tantrum thrown by you and Shaun since my appointment was announced is surely good evidence of just how much you need it. I cannot see what the amount of puppies we sell have anything to do with our EBBASA activities in UK. We have not sold any puppies in the UK for the last 2½ years and have no plans for any litters in UK. So obviously you are certainly more interested in the selling of puppies in UK than we are. Our interest is purely on the behalf of the existing breeders in the UK. We have no financial interest at all in the UK and therefore 100% neutral in this aspect. However, we do see a very miserable situation in the UK where the UKBC has isolated some breeders they cannot control. Your appointment (if it is confirmed to us) is a retrograde step as you are closely tied to the UKBC. There is no reason to believe anything else than you will continue to be a part of the victimisation of these breeders. Personally we do not believe your comment about talking to Piet Sprinkhuisen, as late as 2 days ago Piet confirmed to me about the appraisal in Scotland, and he also confirmed the same to another person who is a member on this forum. So, whether you like it or not, arranging appraisals without discussing the matter with you, is obviously something that is going to happen. "Any appraisal will be arranged by me as EBBASA representative in the UK in consultation with the EBBASA council and in accordance with the requirements of the Boerboel community in Britain. It will be located as conveniently as possible for all attendees." Well, you did not include the other UK breeders before arranging the EBBASA appraisal in Devon, so there is no reason to believe that you will change your tactics with the next appraisal. As for us involving ourselves with EBBASA affairs in UK, we will continue to do so until EBBASA have officially informed us that we are no longer representatives. I am sure you can understand that we demand at least some respect from EBBASA, and we will not accept someone on the internet as a reputable source of information. If it is indeed the case, some further questions will have to be asked. 1) Why did Piet Sprinkhuisen instate you as UK representative when there was already a representative? 2) Why was this done without informing the current representative? 3) Why, when asked, did Piet Sprinkhuisen deny that we had been replaced? 4) Is it normal practise to go behind peoples backs in this cowardly way? If so, what chance is there that anyone else in UK will be treated with respect? 5) Why was a SABT club (UKBC) used as a vehicle for an EBBASA appraisal? We put it to the other breeders in UK that it will never be possible for you to have a reliable relationship with James Brennan as your EBBASA representative, he has been an active part of the victimisation of breeders in UK when he was the chairman of the UKBC. He had the opportunity to stop what was happening and he did nothing. There is no reason at all to think that he has your interests at heart. By approaching the EBBASA without our knowledge fully knowing that we were the representatives, he has shown one of the sides of his personality that will not be positive to your breeding. We want to improve things for you and we ask you to show us some support in this matter. If the reason that we are not representatives any longer is that we do not live in UK, then James Brennan does not live in UK either. I (Shaun) am at least a British citizen. We propose that we find a representative that will be neutral, not involved with UKBC or SABT and lives in UK. Regards Anne and Shaun |
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Post by buliebuse on Oct 22, 2006 10:17:12 GMT
Hi everyone who reads this board. I am hoping to go down to Devon next weekend - not to get Buse appraised, but to put face to names etc. I do find that what is written in email can sometimes be misinterpretted. I am not a member of UKBC, SABT or EBASSA. I have one BB who 'in my eyes' is perfect , what else do U need? I totally agree with you Ewa as regards postings etc, that is why I have not done so for a while.I have 2 children & have to put up with 'playground tactics'every week , without having to read them in email as well ! I'm sure other owners like myself are confused at the moment, I don't care who does what as long as it is in the best interests of the breed . Ju  |
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Post by mayahund on Oct 25, 2006 21:26:53 GMT
I think Mr. Brennan is a cyber space troll  If anybody wants to know what that is, heres a short defenition; trolls start up things on mess.boards by saying just about anything, to get people all wound up and hitting eachothers throats. A troll then retires to his cave and sits down to have a good laugh at what he started! With other and maybe more polite words - Mr. Brennan - Theres several of us still waiting for answers to our questions! As always - MY opinion! Ewa |
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Post by bulieboerboels on Nov 27, 2006 21:47:04 GMT
Hi Ewa I think you will have a long wait.When in the past I have asked questions all I have received is insults , abuse and verbal attacks. I have never been offered any help or constructive advice but with Anasha all I have ever got from Shaun and Anne is good advice,help and encouragement and know for a fact if ever I had a problem with any of our dogs they would be the first to offer help and not critisism.Regards Paul.
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Post by mayahund on Nov 28, 2006 0:26:18 GMT
Well Paul.... I sure don't want to be a bitch....... But according to my friends that has a great common knowledge on how to behave on the internet.........We shouldn't have to think about Mr Brennan anymore.........He's proven himself to be - A Trolll. And Paul....... By now you know......... I don't sit around  ANd I am a TROLLL - A swedish one........beaware...........'cause we're for real......not just for internet....... ;D |
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Post by bulieboerboels on Jan 21, 2007 11:26:54 GMT
Hi Ewa couldnt resist posting that the Swedish troll I met is a great person and makes a really nice chilli.She also indulges me by drinking all the beers I take to her.Regards Paul.
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Post by temwani on Jan 21, 2007 12:51:23 GMT
It is no surprise that Paul likes swedish female trolls he has a tendency to turn in to a abominable snow man at this point in the year. He has grown the beard and is now waiting for the white stuff to arrive.
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Post by buliebuse on Feb 12, 2007 10:43:50 GMT
I know its an old link
Question to the board is if you have bitch/dog that has been neutered/speyed can they still be appraised by either SABT or Ebbasa?
Ju
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Post by temwani on Feb 12, 2007 11:08:28 GMT
Ju,
I know SABT won't because they are appraising for breeding... Shaun will know about Ebbasa.
Geri
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Feb 12, 2007 13:45:14 GMT
Hi Ju, you can get a neutered/speyed dog/bitch appraised with both SABT and EBBASA. It will say on the certificate that the dog/bitch is a pet.
Anne
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Post by buliebuse on Feb 12, 2007 17:00:50 GMT
OK Guys
Now I'm confused - who is correct Geri or Anne?
Ju
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Feb 12, 2007 17:36:57 GMT
Anasha Ma Baker was appraised with SABT after she had been sterilized and they wrote on the papers that she was a pet.
Anne
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Post by marty43 on Feb 12, 2007 22:39:51 GMT
I am new to this board and find the way that people are acting isnt very nice. Surely the breeds health and wellbeing is more important, people seem to go on about what is best for the breed, but are not willing to have an appraisal in scotland an England for who have BB. Having them HIP and ELBOW scored etc and appraised is what we strave for in this animal to keep it free from varoius problems, so how can we do this if people dont work together. Its not about who is better than another. I agree with buliebuse and temwani comments also.
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Post by buliebuse on Feb 13, 2007 7:42:43 GMT
Martine Trust me , no one is being nasty - go on some of the other boards if you want to see examples of that Sometimes when you write a post & then read it back, it doesn't always then read as you wanted it to.I'm sure I can vouch for all people associated with this board in that no matter whether breeder/owner/non owner we all have the BBs best interest at heart. I'm sure as Sandra is the Scottish Ebbasa rep there will be an appraisal up there - not too sure about the UK as it still hasn't been confirmed about the official UK rep. Regards,love& kisses Ju |
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Post by temwani on Feb 13, 2007 12:53:33 GMT
Hi Ju,
Anne is correct - apologies for being wrong!
Geri
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Post by buliebuse on Feb 13, 2007 17:30:41 GMT
Geri No-ones ever wrong - just misplaced sometimes! Ju |
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Post by sandaharr on Feb 14, 2007 7:15:52 GMT
Well,where do I start on EBBASA appraisals.After returning from SA and having a long chat to various people,all I can say that both registries seem to be in disarray and nothing has been confirmed.All that has been confirmed is that an appraisal will be confirmed later in the year,confused,you will be!!!!!!
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Post by buliebuse on Feb 14, 2007 13:43:46 GMT
Well thats not a very good start from the only official Ebbasa rep!  Pull your neck in & get your act together asap!!! Ju |
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Post by temwani on Feb 14, 2007 15:53:21 GMT
Hi Sandra, I think we have to expect it to take time to resolve things. Looking forward to chatting about your trip and hearing about your discussions. Geri |
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