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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jul 25, 2007 14:50:12 GMT
Today the 25th of July 2007, 11 puppies (3 males and 8 females) were born to Wesley Happy and Anasha Charlie. All the puppies are brown in colour. Wesley Happy: PennHIP 0,50/0,57 no DJD Elbows 0:0 Vaginal prolapse free Entropion and ectropion free Anasha Charlie PennHIP 0,43/0,56 no DJD Elbows 0:0 Entropion and ectropion free  Regards Anne and Shaun |
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Post by vicki on Jul 25, 2007 15:03:03 GMT
Congratulations fantastic news, are you docking tails? regards topguard
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jul 25, 2007 19:36:37 GMT
Hello Vicki, it is illegal to dock tails in Denmark, it is also illegal in most of Europe.
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Shaun
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 25, 2007 20:20:21 GMT
Yes,also in Britain,mores the pity.Litter looks great Shaun,well done mum.  |
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Post by vicki on Jul 25, 2007 21:13:35 GMT
its not illegal to dock tails in britain you have to have the right paper work, my boys from mooi anton liter have docked tails and were done by a vet who visited my house! with all paper work in order a copy that goes to the new owner and one the breeder keeps!!
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jul 26, 2007 6:44:26 GMT
Well I will be honest with you Vicki, we did get one of our litters in UK docked once, Anne was against it, but I was for it as this is how I was used to seeing the Boerboel. The trouble was that the vet who docked them did it wrong, and consequently nearly all the puppies had/have problems with the wound not healing properly. Since that time (5 years ago), we have not docked any tails. For us there is really no reason to do so, I know we can if we go out of our way, but there are also negative consequences.
Nearly all our customers want dogs with tails, most are convinced that inter dog relationships are improved (not as much fighting with other dogs), they are also convinced that balance when running is improved.
I have changed my mind about docking them and agree with Anne now.
In South Africa the laws are changing as well, it will also soon be illegal to dock them. We also ask ourselves the reasons that so many countries are making it illegal to dock. It is after all just a cosmetic amputation and has no practical function in Europe. Then it will be normal for the Boerboel to have a tail.
I really cannot see any actual advantages in docking, so we do not do it unless there is a medical neccesity.
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Shaun
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 26, 2007 8:36:20 GMT
Vicki,it IS illegal now to dock the tails of the pups,perhaps not the working terriers/spaniels etc but defo the BB's. The docking of dogs' tails will be banned in England from 6 April 2007 and in Wales from 28 March 2007 but with exemptions from the ban for certain working dogs, and for medical treatment. A total ban in Scotland will take effect 30 April. This is an excerpt from the website of the Council of Docked breeds. In England the following can be docked: 1. Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types. 2. Spaniels of any type or combination of types. 3. Terriers of any type or combination of types. A person found guilty of an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 (England) shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or a fine not exceeding £20,000 or both. As much as we don't like it, the BB is not classed as a working dog so HAS to have a tail.  |
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Post by vicki on Jul 26, 2007 11:29:21 GMT
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 26, 2007 15:49:15 GMT
That is exactly right Vicki.I will want to show when the KC recognises them and that is the reason we won't dock as of April 30th this year.I am of the mind set now that I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon though!  If we were allowed to dock we still would,it IS illegal to dock the BB,we both much prefer a docked tail,but I won't have my pups taken from me and fined into the bargain.A litter of Rottie pups that were docked have been removed from the breeder in Scotland in the town only 15 min drive from us. The dogs that can be docked are the ones I mentioned,they are the only working dogs that can be done.I had a look at the form you told us about and these are the ones on it. The rottie,dobe,boxer etc are all classed as working dogs too (as is the BB,my error)but MUST have tails now. Good luck to you if you can get away with it.  I have just resigned myself to the fact now. |
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Post by bakkies on Jul 27, 2007 18:43:10 GMT
There is no reason to aputate healthy and neccesary body parts. No need for any discussion everything else is contrary to common sense.
I like to look of docked breeds but I would never ever do a loving animal wrong.
Shaun, sorry for this off topic!
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Post by vicki on Jul 27, 2007 20:11:08 GMT
its difference of opinion and a large part of the history of many breeds of dogs and the boerboel?
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Post by mayahund on Jul 27, 2007 20:30:02 GMT
its difference of opinion and a large part of the history of many breeds of dogs and the boerboel? Are you saying that history makes it OK to do something that is OK for nothing more than the eye of the (human) beholder? Then you also find what Hitler did is OK to do again today since it's history?  ? And please, don't give me the story about what he did is different, I thought/hoped humans evolved and learned to do better but maybe that's a too Buddhist thought! Ewa |
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Post by vicki on Jul 27, 2007 20:58:01 GMT
i'm sorry i must of got this board wrong, this is my opinion and i'm not changing it like i'm not asking you too change yours! i havent insulted you or your opinion so i dont see the need for you too insult mine.
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Post by mayahund on Jul 27, 2007 21:52:38 GMT
If I insulted you we must have a language problem!
I never questioned your opinion - you stated that HISTORY makes your opinion the right one, I questioned that.
And if we on this Board can't question each other when we don't like each others opinions - then were are we going?
Do you want a mess.board with only believers of your opinions? I want discussions, pros and against and so on, not ye-sayers.
Ewa
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 28, 2007 8:13:34 GMT
Everybody knows we much prefer docked tails and no dew claws I might add.In Scotland there is a complete blanket ban on all docking,no room for error or excuses,absolutely no docking,even terriers and spaniels,strange thing is you are still allowed to take off the dewclaws but as we haven't done the tails we have also left the dew claws this time.
I have seen though firsthand the way another dog will look at a dogs tail for guidance on behaviour,that swayed me a bit when I saw it for myself between Raz and Zeke.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jul 28, 2007 9:42:02 GMT
There is no doubt that the general public has changed their opinion about docked tails completely in the last 7 years or so. When we started breeding Boerboels, very few people wanted undocked dogs. Now we quite often get people from places where they can dock (USA) asking us for puppies because they are not docked.
I am sure that this subject will make people on both sides of the arguement see red for some time to come. Our own opinion is that there are no convincing arguements for doing it, the dog was born with a tail and needs it for many functions, so we leave it on.
Shaun
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Post by mayahund on Jul 28, 2007 10:47:28 GMT
It's about 15 years since the ban of docking came to Sweden and back the I had springer spaniels.
The discussion over here went exactly the same as in here now. I was convinced that my spaniels would be much better off without tails. Got myself an undocked spaniel, didn't have one problem that couldn't be solved with a piece of plaster and saw all the advantages of letting the dog have it's tail.
Little OT but the lady that started the progress on stopping docking in Sweden got several threats against her life for starting it.
Latest over her now is that the SKK won't let dogs that have been docked enter the show rings anymore.
Ewa
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 28, 2007 11:19:34 GMT
Ewa that is going to be the same here,any dogs docked after the ban dates will not be allowed to be shown at a show where the public pays an entrance fee.
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Post by bakkies on Jul 28, 2007 12:07:47 GMT
Vicki, I think Ewa said all that can be said.
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Post by sandaharr on Jul 28, 2007 15:16:07 GMT
Ewa,my hubby has booked himself a springer,she is about 4 weeks old at the moment,he is going to train her first and then he will get himself a lurcher to run with her.Any tips on training,I have bought him a couple of books already.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 15, 2007 5:14:03 GMT
 They weigh from 1½ to 2½ kg now. Shaun |
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Post by buliebuse on Aug 15, 2007 6:40:04 GMT
They're little porkers.  Is Happy Tems' Mum ? Ju |
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 15, 2007 8:35:32 GMT
Yes, Happy is Tem´s mum.
Shaun
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Post by temwani on Aug 15, 2007 17:16:50 GMT
Happy is a great mum and these puppies look as great as the last ones.
I may be biased about her since she is Tem's mum and of course Oubie's. They both get their fantastic temperament from her.
Geri
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Post by marty43 on Aug 15, 2007 21:08:47 GMT
well after all that long talk , the puppies look well and mummy looks shattered. |
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Post by h00k on Dec 14, 2009 13:32:12 GMT
Can someone give me website or phone number of a breeder in the UK.
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Post by bulieboerboels on Dec 14, 2009 14:52:52 GMT
Congratulations Shaun and Anne nice looking pups.Give happy a big hug from me.She has a beautiful temperament.Regards Paul.
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