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Post by buliebuse on Oct 25, 2006 15:03:29 GMT
Hi Guys Is everyone on half-term along with their kids? Have posted the same message on UKBC board - Was out the other day & saw a chap walking his Rottie on a prong collar. To me this seems medieval - your European views please.  Ju |
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Post by mayahund on Oct 25, 2006 21:19:23 GMT
Hi Ju! Halfterm doesn't start untill next week over here  Anyway; prong collars! To me, personally, they're medieval torture things! I would see it as a total (and very personal) failur of dogtraining if I had to use this kind of things. To the best of my knowledge they are forbidden in Sweden but I heard that you can still buy them in some dogshops. I also heard people, who I hold in high esteem saying , that if you know how to use them, then they are very useful. Well - I for one don't want to lern how to use them! Ewa |
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Post by bakkies on Oct 26, 2006 8:50:38 GMT
They are only good if you know what you are doing - and most people do not know anything about them. So unless you know what you want and know how to do it - don´t use them! The effect maybe there quickly but this will change and can detroy the dog´s trust in you and will worsen the effect you used it for.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Oct 26, 2006 9:22:11 GMT
If you need to use a prong collar it is because you have failed in training you dog and has no control over it.
They are not allowed in Denmark and I for one would never use one.
Half-term was last week in Denmark.
Regards
Anne
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Post by bakkies on Oct 26, 2006 10:10:51 GMT
I know some people use them for "fine-tuning". But the dog then has to knwo what he should do and you are not allowed to hurt him with it. It´s hard to explain in englisch, you do not pull to cause pain or harm, you just twitch a little bit (f.e if the dog should walk closer to you). People who use it this way wnat to get more points in trials, I do dogsport because of the fun, not because of the points. I have never used them on my dogs, I will never say never but if so, something went wrong long before. I hope to never be in a situation like this. They are allowed in germany, I think instead of banning people should learn how NOT to use them and learn alternative things to do. In 99% of the dogs they work. The other 1% should go to a very good trainer. Maybe it should be banned for private persons - but they will use it anyway  |
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Post by buliebuse on Oct 26, 2006 10:27:39 GMT
Hi Meike, Ewa & Anna Thanks for that - I would agree with you guys rather than my UK friends. Think I will purchase one - for use on my teenage son ! Ju |
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Post by bakkies on Oct 27, 2006 11:45:38 GMT
Think I will purchase one - for use on my teenage son ! Ju Ju, I can see you know how to use it! ;D ;D Hope your son does not read this forum |
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Post by temwani on Oct 28, 2006 17:11:51 GMT
Hi ,
Paul and I have been having a luxurious few days staying with Anne and Shaun. I am still convinced that the bathroom is a communal sauna room, designed for wild partys with at least 30 people!
Anyway we had a great time and the dogs were stunning. I particularly liked Buli a young male that we will certainly be using in our breeding programme.
Thanks for such a great time
Geri
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Post by boerhunter77 on Oct 29, 2006 12:31:54 GMT
My partner Nicola uses one for her american bulldog x Dogue. I really dont like the look of them and wouldnt use one in public as they look so barbaric; though this said they arent what they look like and you need to handle one / try it on your own arm to understand how it works. I wouldnt recomend them as they are only effective if used correctly and they can be mis used, though in the right hands they are excellent and serve a purpose. Tests were done and they proved to be more humane than a choke chain. I personally agree that one should have complete controll of a dog and should be able to controll them on just a collar, though the reason Nicola uses one is the one in a thousand chance Oscar see's a fox or cat and wants to chase after it Nicola needs 100% controll.
The RSPCA are against them and I would tend to agree, there are too many idiots who would miss use them if they were more widely used.... but in the right hands they are a superb tool (im not saying I am right or wrong, just presenting another view point)
jon
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Post by bulieboerboels on Oct 29, 2006 18:19:58 GMT
Hi Jonathan do you get any instructions on how to use the prong collar when purchased or is it down to the individual and trial and error?Regards Paul.
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Post by boerhunter77 on Oct 30, 2006 9:22:31 GMT
Hi Paul, that depends on the manufacturer. If one was to buy one in a pet shop I would expect them to clarify the proper technique first. It is used in the exact manner that a check chain is used - though as you know, allot of people mis-use these also.
jon
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