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Post by temwani on Jan 1, 2007 18:56:36 GMT
Sadly the year has started in the UK with a five year old girl killed by a "Pitball Terrier type" dog. The dog belonged to the girl's uncle and reputedly she knew it well but there were lots of fireworks going off. Allegedly the dog was too dangerous to be removed from the back yard so was destroyed there.
Undoubtedly this will lead to more calls for more control over dog ownership. It is sad to see 2007 start this way. The previous incident was a child killed by two rottweillers.
We must continue to screen people carefully to make sure that they will take the time to train their BB and that they are sensible with supervising children and dogs.
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Post by bulieboerboels on Jan 1, 2007 21:08:31 GMT
Unfortunatly so many dog owners do not realise the potential of an accident waiting to happen.As with any large,strong and powerful dog as far as children are concerned supervision is a must if this kind of situation is to be avoided.Screening prospective buyers will help to avoid the Boerboel getting into the wrong owners hands but unfortunatly this will sometimes happen.Training and socialising are a must for these dogs.Educating new owners in responsible ownership is a task in itself and offering help and support to these new owners is something we can all do.
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 2, 2007 9:46:46 GMT
Hi Guys I also was greatly saddened by the news.  This I will probably get slated for but my view on any of my dogs, Rottie,RR or BB is that as much as I love them , they are still animals - unpredictable, no matter how well trained. We purposely laid out the garden so that it is railed etc the main part ,if we then have a load of children around etc playing outside , I am safe in the knowledge that Buse can't 'play' with them.In the same vein the house is compartmentalised by use of dog gates etc. As soft as Buse is I would never take her for granted- I do love her very much but unlike human beings - dogs can be replaced.(Harsh I know - but I couldn't replace my children) We have a problem down here at the moment in that the Rottie type breeders cannot sell pups , which are being advertised for as little as £150 after the last attack & they are still needing homes at 5 months + This is just my very humble opinion for what its worth Ju |
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Post by temwani on Jan 2, 2007 17:27:03 GMT
Hi Ju,
Like you I think all dogs in fact all animals will behave strangely if they are in pain or frightened. My horse kicked me when he hurt his back and as I have said before, Pickle bit me when she was run over. She is the sweetest dog imaginable but when my nieces were "playing" with her at christmas I kept a close eye on what was happening. You can never know what the child might do to the dog.
When we are talking about dogs with the power in their jaws to bite and destroy whether it be BB or Pitbull or whatever they should be supervised around children and if used as a guard dog ie taught to guard and therefore not sociable with people - not left in contact with people without their handler. After all no-one would give a loaded gun to a child to play with.
This is sad for the people involved but also because it will lead to more discussion about restrictions on dog ownership particularly of guarding breeds. Some do-gooder will come up with regulations and red tape that we will all have to deal with, despite the fact that any dog could kill a child even a spaniel.
All the Rotties I've known have had super temperaments.
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 2, 2007 19:43:27 GMT
Hi Again Geri
Yep I agree have never come across a bad Rottie - but like I said is now worrying with the price drop etc down here.
Would like Meike to be involved as have just read off the SA Board Germanys reaction to DDA.Is Germany really that stringent?
Regards
Ju
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 2, 2007 19:47:12 GMT
Sorry Geri Forgot to add - Buse is brill with anyone that comes into the house when we are here.Low betide anyone who attempts entry when we are not - I don't have a problem with this - certain other people do  Ju |
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Post by countryboy on Jan 2, 2007 21:39:10 GMT
Have to agree JU.My rr is put in his kennel when my kids have school mates round.Makes it easier for all.And on the subject a dog is just an animal,i owned a west highland terrier who had lovely temper until he got a wiff of the vets then it was a stocking over the head and muzzle otherwise the vet got his full wroth.Ok slightly different as it was a fear association but it was in him.
Simon
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 3, 2007 14:23:35 GMT
Hi Simon
Don't get me wrong - Buse has a cage - but this is her quiet space away from all, it is never locked.
We never put her out/exclude her when people are around- we just make sure that either myself or Clive know where she is at all times.
When I was 'alot' younger Mum & Dad had 2 dogs both labradors & as soft as anything.One day all us kids + extras were playing out in the back garden - younger brother in tow.One of the labs thought it a game & chased- this resulted in my little brother being grabbed by his ankle & falling through a glass door.She was simulating the game of 'tag' we had been playing & wanted to join in.
No - she wasn't put down & later went onto bite the postman who turned out to be a pedophile.
When /if you get a BB you will notice very different characteristics between the breeds , even though they are both 'guardy'
Regards
Ju
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 3, 2007 14:31:50 GMT
As regards dog attacks - in this neck of the woods at the moment we are hitting the local headlines most weeks.
Latest today was a white Boxer, previous a Rottie.
Both attacks took place in 'dubious' areas of our city & are owned by dubious people shall we say. But when the price of these breeds go down, unfortunately the breeder literally 'gives' them away to whom ever!
Its a good job at the moment the BB has responsible breeders.
Ju
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Post by countryboy on Jan 3, 2007 17:59:40 GMT
Sounds like your lab had the doggie sixth sense! no what your saying.My rr is a big dog by most standards and kids running round is just to much for him,he's got to join in.My kids are fine but add a liberal sprinkling of there mates and caos would insue.Arrived home from work today to find one of my walking boots on the dogs bed.Apparently he had guarded them all day but in the end he had to take them to bed!I'm sure that means something??
Simon
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Post by temwani on Jan 3, 2007 19:35:59 GMT
Hi Ju,
I am also concerned about the low price of dogs once people find they can't find owners and that they have to almost give the dogs away. We have been contacted by someone in Ireland who has imported two dogs from SA - without papers - not health tested not appraised and who have had puppies. The people wanted to know where to advertise them because they need homes for 8 puppies in two weeks time. Where do you start??
This sort of breeding is far more of a threat than puppies from breeders breeding registered puppies. There will be no reason for the new owners to not cross breed them and then we will have "Boerboel type" puppies being sold.
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Post by countryboy on Jan 3, 2007 21:32:43 GMT
how depressing is that!!Would have thought if they have gone to all the trouble of importing they would have followed up with papers and had a home for the pups before considering breeding..
Simon
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Post by sandaharr on Jan 4, 2007 8:41:16 GMT
I've also been contacted by this couple,we told them that sorry but we don't advise anybody to buy unregistered pups and that we couldn't help.Guess we have to all all the work for them!!
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Post by sandaharr on Jan 4, 2007 8:42:16 GMT
They were actually their pets in SA,they came over via Spain with their dogs.
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Post by sandaharr on Jan 4, 2007 8:43:25 GMT
Meant to add,they also said they had no paperwork for the parents of their dogs but were'chasing it up',guess that means no paperwork for their own either!!
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 4, 2007 9:11:51 GMT
Wow I'm going to stick my neck well & truly out on this one. I don't have papers for Buse - all got sent to SABT after appraisal in August - still nothing returned.  Perhaps they use pidgeon post? Its interesting that the couple involved have contacted both Sandra & Geri/Paul - have they not tried the UKBC or the Irish rep for Ebbasa over there? There has been nothing posted to do with this litter as far as I can see on the UKBC board - not really informative!But from little past experience its probably being 'sorted' behind closed doors.  Ju |
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 4, 2007 9:14:27 GMT
Hi Geri
Tell me about 'BB types' - lost count now of the amount of times have been approached by a Tosa etc owner wanting to know if I was considering breeding from Buse!
Ju
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 4, 2007 9:21:48 GMT
Hi Simon RRs are so much more lively than BBs so I know what you mean.Energy & get up & go with Buse most of the time has got up & gone - especially when curled up infront of the fire The boots issue - bless , missing Daddy probably after spending more time with him around Christmas. Ju |
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jan 4, 2007 10:56:23 GMT
Wow all got sent to SABT after appraisal in August - still nothing returned. Perhaps they use pidgeon post? Its interesting that the couple involved have contacted both Sandra & Geri/Paul - have they not tried the UKBC or the Irish rep for Ebbasa over there? There has been nothing posted to do with this litter as far as I can see on the UKBC board - not really informative!But from little past experience its probably being 'sorted' behind closed doors. Ju It is quite normal for SABT papers to take an eternity, 6 months is not unusual. These people also contacted us, we informed them to try and get the parents registered and gave them SABT Europe´s contact details. We also wrote that they should not try and sell the puppies as Boerboels until they have the paperwork sorted out. They informed us that the dogs were their own dogs that they owned in RSA and imported to Ireland. Shaun |
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 4, 2007 12:03:28 GMT
Hi Shaun
Can you answer me the question if both presumably adult dogs are not registered/appraised/health tested & Geri in her earlier mail said they want to 'sell' the pups in 2 weeks time - What can be done/what is being done?. Presuming they are pure bred BBs?
Just watched the UK news & in the St Helens area where the little girl was killed, another so-say 8 pit-bulls have been confiscated by the police.
I'm a pain in the neck I know - but if you don't ask the questions, how will you get answers?
JU
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jan 4, 2007 13:20:50 GMT
Hi Shaun Can you answer me the question if both presumably adult dogs are not registered/appraised/health tested & Geri in her earlier mail said they want to 'sell' the pups in 2 weeks time - What can be done/what is being done?. Presuming they are pure bred BBs? I'm a pain in the neck I know - but if you don't ask the questions, how will you get answers? JU You are not a pain in the neck, ask away, if anyone can answer they will, noone will critisize anyone for asking. Assuming the dogs are known SABT dogs with birth certificates, they can be video appraised. This way they score the minimum 75% and the pups can be registered. The dogs then have to be appraised at the next possible appraisal otherwise the video scoring does not count. A video appraisal takes theoretically the time it takes to send a video of the dog to RSA and the answer to come back. This can be done over the internet in a few minutes, or by snail mail in a couple of weeks. Shaun |
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 4, 2007 17:09:17 GMT
Hi Shaun
Thanks for the response
What I'm really trying to get at is who/what is going to moniter where these pups go & if they do actually get sold as registered etc
Ju
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Post by mayahund on Jan 4, 2007 17:53:45 GMT
Well Ju - In my humble opinion it should be the UKBC that monitors this. They make themselves out to be the fine guards of all bb-related things so maybe they should show themselves helpful were it's acually needed.
Ewa
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Post by countryboy on Jan 4, 2007 18:34:08 GMT
Looks like all your questions re so called bb pups from ireland.Assuming you've checked your mail!
Simon
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Post by temwani on Jan 4, 2007 19:12:53 GMT
Hi Ju,
The only people with any responsibility for these puppies would be the breeder but legally that stops when the pups are sold. So whether they are sold as BBs or not their owners can do what ever they like with them. This is of course also true with any puppies. We have turned away people who we thought would possibly cross breed our puppies. One person even brought his Corso with him in a cage on the back of a pickup truck to show us. I was horrified that the dog was exposed to rain/flies etc... pollution on the motorway. Anyway he offered me 3000 for Honey and was willing to pay double to have the pick of the next litter, jumping the queue of people who had already paid. Needless to say he went away empty handed. Sadly those people only breeding for money will sell to people like this and then just recommend a quick trip to the vet for any un-wanted dogs who end up needing re-homing.
There is no protection for dogs and sadly very soon we will need a full blown rescue for BBs in Britain. Paul knows that if we had the space I would want to do it.
All we can do is offer people advice and support where we can and try and help when there are dogs in trouble. Paul and I as you know guarantee that we will take dogs back and re-home if possible or keep ourselves. This is the only way I get round feeling that we shouldn't add to the dog population when there are so many un-wanted dogs in the world already. I am just determined that we won't create any.
Geri
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