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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Aug 24, 2006 13:01:40 GMT
The success of this board is going to be the responsibility of all the members, to make it a success we will all have to use it regularly, all take it upon ourselves to invite new members and all make sure that it is a place to be that is welcoming and informative.
Our role in this is to create the board, but we want to be able to hand over the reins to the members at the earliest possible moment.
We would ask you, the members to contact those you feel might be interested in this forum and encourage them to participate in the debates. We would also ask you to start debates that interest you.
Regards
Anne and Shaun
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Post by buliebuse on Aug 24, 2006 14:17:49 GMT
Shaun
I think it will be a sucess - have noticed UKBC site virtually dormant at the mo
Ju
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Post by bulieboerboels on Sept 4, 2006 12:10:16 GMT
Hi Shaun the board looks like it is already a success judging by the number of posts on it.Well done.Regards Paul.
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Post by buliebuse on Nov 14, 2006 9:21:23 GMT
Hi Shaun & all members I would like to say thankyou to everyone who posts on this board. I have just been approved by the SA forum - but my messages have been deleted & not allowed.All I was doing was defending Paul & asking as I have a Bulie bitch at what point should I have her put down?Also in another email asked who from all who met her at both SABT & Ebbasa appraisals found her to be aggressive & uncontrollable? I could not believe the libelous rubbish that was allowed to be written.  I shall no longer (brief as it was) use that site - nor indeed the UKBC site as anything I post gets disagreed with & shot down in flames.  Its good to be able to post here with like minded people who have no alterier motives Regards Ju Please excuse mispellings - I'm angry |
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Post by mayahund on Nov 14, 2006 9:51:12 GMT
Sorry to hear about you being expelled at first try Ju. Understand you're mad! I can, as always, only speak for myself - From being rather active on both the S.A Board and the UKBC one I just gotten so fed up by the constant abuse on the same people, made by the same people every time, that I just feel I have absolutly nothing left to share on those boards anymore. I really can't understand why the moderator allows (and obviously in your case Ju, support) people to run with just anything they feel like saying, about somebody else. So as I preached from the start of this board - If we're going to survive - Don't post bs about others, come with facts and treat others as you want to be treated. Then we will have a great board that will grow over time. To me it's not just how many members there is to the board, its if there is any posting and and if the posts are good and educational for me to read. And it looks to me as we're getting there  Ewa |
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Post by sandaharr on Nov 14, 2006 20:23:16 GMT
Julie,your spelling is bad because you forgot to use the spellcheck,just face facts 'YER A DUNDERHEID'!!!!
Please e-mail if you need a translation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to hear about the bother,stick to a friendly board.
It's a bit of a p***er that everybody can rip into Paul (and Geri) but nobody can ask questions of these self same people that are doing it.
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Post by sandaharr on Nov 15, 2006 7:14:34 GMT
Hi there old timer,see you got your senior status too!  Had a look at Chilis page,is the water warmish when they do this? She looks like she is having fun,how long do they give them in the water and how often do you have to go? |
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Nov 15, 2006 7:35:59 GMT
It's a bit of a p***er that everybody can rip into Paul (and Geri) but nobody can ask questions of these self same people that are doing it. The way I see it is that the person who questions Toska´s (who has never attacked or bitten anyone) temperament most, has a dog that has attacked at least one innocent person and that dog is being considered for breeding in spite of this. The person who says that Paul is using a dog for breeding that is in the same family as others that have behavioural problems, is using a dog that is also in the same family as a dog that is known to have behavioural problems. The truth is, that Paul and Geri have taken our advice and all their matings are breeding away from a certain branch of Toska´s pedigree that we know to be a cause of problems, some other breeders in UK are not taking this advice and because this combination also appears in their pedigrees, they feel that the advice is a threat to them. All of the other breeders in UK know of problems with siblings to the dogs they breed on or intend to breed on, they tackle the problems by breeding away from them, this is exactly the same as Paul and Geri are doing but as they have the health aspect under control, it would not be any advantage to them to breed their females into pedigrees with known health issues. We will continue to help Paul and Geri despite any efforts by the UKBC to slander Paul. We also think that the way forward is to help people out of their problems, not to slander them or their dogs. We personally think that they are bringing some important genetic variations and health to the UK Boerboel population. Regards Anne and Shaun |
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Post by bakkies on Nov 15, 2006 8:56:34 GMT
We also think that the way forward is to help people out of their problems, not to slander them or their dogs. That´s it!  |
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Post by mayahund on Nov 15, 2006 10:48:08 GMT
Hi Sandra!
Thank you for the pawprint on our homepage! If you want to see some really great pics of annother bb - check out yesterdays post! It's Anasha Zera thats interacting with her room mate (and roommates food!) Fantastic pics that were sent to us by her owner.
Anyway; The water is probably about 15 degrees C. It's indoors so the room is rather warm too. She gets to swim for 8 minutes now and we're aiming for 15. She started off with less than 5 minutes. When she gets good at it, we can add a jetstream to give her more resistance. She only just started to relax in the water and realize she won't drown! She's wearing double lifewests - One on as normal and a small one put on to keep her behind up.
We go twice a week since we want to build up the muscles in the leg Chili last had her TPLO on, in order to be able to let her off leash totaly and letting her rumble with the rest of the gang.
Being the henmum I am, I find myself in more and more arguments with hubby and Chili about when to start letting her go. But knowing Chili, shes really a mix between bb+bagder and a tank, I think Shaun put some elephant in there as well ;D, she will roam the garden like mad and play really rough when getting the slightest of chance so I'm preaching to take it slowly. I really don't want to break anything and have to redo this rehab we've had this year.
Ewa
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Post by mayahund on Nov 15, 2006 11:33:54 GMT
Hi Shaun - and anybody else that can be bothered to read since its looong!
I also believe that the road to go is to help each other.
I might be getting in on the deep end here but one of my theories on what is going on is as follows; There's some breeders in every European country (however serious or not is not the issue right now) and theres BB owners. The numbers of owners and breeders grows for each year. This is normal development in a new breed in a country.
For some reason some people nurture the idea that the BB is a rare breed and should stay so. It should not be sold to the common public because they just can't handle a BB. (I've reached this conclusion from reading several mess.boards for some years now).
Well that might be the case, I'm not arguing the fact that the breed shouldn't be sold to an unexperienced person here. I'm very curious though as to who should be the judge off what criteria that should be met in order to own or breed a BB? Should all BB owners have a masters degree? Or will it be enough with a lifetime experience in big/rare breeds? We're should the limit be set and who should point it out? I must admit, I also quite enjoy coming places with my BB and getting all the attention we seem to stir and answer all the questions we get about the breed, but it sure doesn't make me the "BB-expert"! I'm still amazed at the variation there is to both looks and mentality in this breed so how can I tell people this is what it is , this is what it should be and this is what it shouldn't be. I can only speak for my own preferences - Not anybody else's!
And have these persons given any thought as to were the breed might end up if we do not diversify?
If we have a look at what first came out of S.A when the interest in the breed started overseas, a lot of the dogs that came over were afflicted with HD, AD, prolapse and more. At my first appraisal in 2001 the judge was saying that HD was nothing the Sabt was considering as a problem. Well with growing interest in the breed, more breeders available, more buyers making demands for healthy dogs and so on the "market" has been forced to take into consideration the health aspect of the BB. The BB-associations has been forced to change their ruling and hopefully we can change it even more.
I can't see how haggling on the mess.boards, crucifying people like was lastly done to Paul, making statements without any hard on evidence, except the back-up from the same group of people every time will get the breed to a better place. It will only make ordinary people go away from the mess.boards and the ordinary crew will keep on haggling the same stuff over and over.
Maybe all that ferocious energy should go into some educational posting and some real discussions on what the BB should be and how we should get there instead of telling people who's most knowledgeable in bs-ing?
As always - my theories!
Ewa
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Post by bakkies on Nov 15, 2006 11:52:45 GMT
That´s a very good posting Ewa! I think too many people think that they are experts, many people do not like other breeders because of their success. And many more do not like people that critizice they breeding practices or even their dogs because they all think that they own the best BB and are the best breeders.
Everyone should listen to each others and do not take it too personaly. How many test their dogs? And how many then slander about people and dogs who were doing this kind of testing. Everyone loves their dogs but you have to have open eyes also four faults and work on them. How many people have you heared speaking about the bad things of their dogs?
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Post by buliebuse on Nov 15, 2006 13:56:03 GMT
Hi Ewa & Meike
I agree with the both of you.
Ju
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Post by bulieboerboels on Nov 15, 2006 22:12:01 GMT
Hi everyone one thing I like about people on this board is they are all out to help one another and to contribute positive things regarding experience,breeding,training,owning and enjoying having Boerboels.No one here is afraid of being riddiculed or attacked for posting anything about their dogs or experiences with them.That can only lead to improving the breed and encouraging greater understanding of these magnificent dogs.
Long may this board and its members continue to do so.Regards Paul.
PS we should have had this message board years ago but better late than never.Perhaps we are now leading where others will eventually follow.
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Post by mayahund on Nov 27, 2006 20:25:32 GMT
"//No one here is afraid of being riddiculed or attacked for posting anything about their dogs or experiences with them."// unquote Why should anybody, posting on anyboard have to be afraid of this? Treat people the way you want to be treated and we're all fine  Ewa |
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Post by bulieboerboels on Nov 27, 2006 21:55:31 GMT
Hi Ewa I am not afraid to post on any board but it is better when people are friendly and can discuss issues without being attacked for their comments or not conforming with others.
We must discuss this over a few beers at next years appraisal.That will give me time to practice.Regards Paul.
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Post by mayahund on Nov 27, 2006 23:22:28 GMT
I wasn't going to get in here tonight.............and YOU are trying to make me make a promisse........that I (we) aint ready to do .....HaVen't you lerned by now that pressure will only turn people to the opposite? Ewa |
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Post by mayahund on Dec 12, 2006 1:45:53 GMT
For an mess.board that only consist of 32 memebers and only been running since august - I think we're doing great. Just turned 1.000 post since start!!!
So let's keep the spririt of an open mind and a civil language ruling and it will be impossible for us to not be the best in the near future!
Well done posters and those of you who haven't posted yet - Hope we'll see you soon!
Ewa
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Post by bulieboerboels on Dec 17, 2006 17:23:33 GMT
I agree with you Ewa the board is going from strength to strength and we are getting lots of interesting discussions.Well done everyone.Regards Paul.
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