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Post by temwani on Jan 16, 2007 20:17:52 GMT
If the Kennel Club in SA recognise the BB will that automatically bring KC recognition in all countries? What would be the advantages of the breed being recognised? besides being able to show dogs?
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Post by mayahund on Jan 16, 2007 20:28:41 GMT
Positive; Over hear we would be allowed to mental test in the KC regime and we would also be allowed to compete in search and higher classes of obedience. We could make a demand on SKK keeping record on HD/AD test results and other health related issues that we felt was important to the breed.
Negatives; people would see the bb and start buying it, this will attract even more breeders that's just in it for the money. Probably we would start seeing rescues over here as well. That's what has happened to the pit and amstaff.
Ewa
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Post by buliebuse on Jan 17, 2007 7:42:52 GMT
Hi guys
with the new laws coming in as regards docking if the BB was to be KC recognized - presume no-one could show a BB with a docked tail ?
Ju
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Post by sandaharr on Jan 17, 2007 7:43:19 GMT
Geri,the main advantage in the breed being recognised and the most important one to my mind is that if it comes to banning breeds the KC will put it's might against the govt.Maybe not great say some, but definitely better than nobody helping.The Good canine citizen scheme they set up is also good for the breed and the fact that as Ewa stated all the health details can be collated(In Britain at least the KC allow this already).
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Post by sandaharr on Jan 17, 2007 8:54:50 GMT
Dogs with tails docked before the ban is started will be allowed to be shown.So I imagine there will be a bit of jiggery-pokery with some creative breeders and dates!!!Shame.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jan 17, 2007 9:38:55 GMT
I think that the main advantages for the breed are to do with who is looking after it´s interests now.
In the current system, in order to breed a dog, all you have to do is show up at a dog show with a relevant pedigree and score more than 75%. It is quite ok currently to breed dogs that have no form of health and mental testing at all. This, in the long run, can only lead one place, a total failure of the breed.
If the dog gets taken into the FCI regime, there is a clear chance for any established club to insist on having a say in the accepted breeding criteria by becoming an under-club of the FCI. In other words, all dogs would have to undergo the testing as prescribed by the breed club before getting a pedigree certificate and breeding priviledges.
It is an unique opportunity to clean up the mess we have today.
As far as I can see, SABT has opted not to go the FCI way and HBSA and EBBASA have opted to go the FCI way, between HBSA and EBBASA, they have the amount of dogs needed by KUSA to accept the breed.
What does that mean to you people in UK?
I imagine that the current club in UK will drop it´s assossiation with SABT in order to be able to set the agenda with the transition to FCI status, that means that if you want to have any influence on what happens in the future, you had better start thinking about forming a rival club and appraoching the kennel club in order to start negotiations.
We all know the disadvantages of being FCI, but in all fairness they offer more security than the current system, and more control over would be breeders. They also allow for working titles to be incorporated into the breeding requirements.
Shaun
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Jan 17, 2007 13:52:40 GMT
Another thing to think about, while EBBASA have gone public with their intentions to amalgamate with the KUSA (Kennel Union of South Africa), and it is pretty certain to get it´s pedigrees adopted by KUSA, what about the SABT? If (as it seems) SABT elect not to be a part of the amalgamation (they have left the talks), what about their breeders? Will they be allowed into the KUSA at a later time? It does not look likely as FCI can only recognise pedigrees from other organisations within FCI. This means that when the South African Boerboel is accepted, only those that were a part of the acceptance proceedure will be accepted. The logical conclusion of that is that SABT breeders will for ever be left out in the cold.
Obviously it would pay most people to think about what they are going to do in the future. My personal opinion is that it is definately going to be an advantage to have all your dogs registered and appraised by EBBASA so that they have a chance to come into FCI and leave SABT registration as an option.
Shaun
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Post by temwani on Jan 17, 2007 19:07:40 GMT
Hi Shaun,
Paul and I have been discussing this hence my starting this thread. I too believe that kennel club recognition will support the breed against efforts to get it banned. This has to be balanced against the inevitable increase in demand for dogs and the resulting rescues that will appear. This is what happened to the RR.
geri
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Post by bulieboerboels on Feb 10, 2007 15:53:17 GMT
When the Boerboel does get Kennel club recognition will the appraisal system as we know it continue or will it become a series of dog shows in order to choose what dogs score what?Regards Paul.
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Post by Shaun Eric Ewing on Feb 11, 2007 4:58:45 GMT
Good question paul, I prefer the appraisal system myself, in the ordinary system each dog is awarded credits against the other dogs present at the show, this tells the breeder nothing about whether it might be a good dog to breed with. The top dog at the show might well have scored under 75% at an appraisal.
I know that in Russia, Boerboels have been appraised and showed according to FCI show rules. So maybe FCI will allow this type of appraisal as a quirk peculiar to Boerboels.
Shaun
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Post by bulieboerboels on Feb 11, 2007 12:47:44 GMT
I really hope so as I myself feel it would like you say give a better indication of breedworthy dogs rather than a series of points.Does the Kennel club have any people qualified or trained to do appraisals or would it still be left to the various organisations?
Regards Paul.
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